We have all this stuff. And the justice department in the wake of Longs assassination sent a prosecutor down to Louisiana basically to go bust up Hue Long machine to root out not only his vestiges of dictatorial power, but also bust all the corruption that he had left behind, which was profound. His father-in-law is veteran Chicago reporter Andy Shaw. So I hadn't gotten the actual cuts of the first two episodes. I mean, so the German American Bund is --. Rachel Maddow: -- nodding along. "No. Last night, both Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow interviewed activists drawn to D.C. this week to advocate for gun control because they have personal experience with mass-shootings. I want people to listen. And that, to me, is energizing and exciting, and it opens up all these other lines of inquiry, like, one of the things Charles Gallagher writes about in his book is this character Francis Sweeney who tragically dies very young, who played this incredibly intrepid role in exposing the Christian Front in Boston, which was taking funding from the Hitler government, which was showing German military propaganda movies, which was running pogrom-style violence against Boston Jews. Rachel Maddow: I mean, is that a story about the limitations to the critical law? Is that a history about Hitler? And now I'm done. At least three prime time MSNBC hosts have changed their tone on Covid-19 vaccines since 2020, Twitter archives reveal. Rachel Maddow: -- they're defeated and gone. Chris Hayes: So the broad contours of this, and again they're individual stories and I want to keep that narrative suspense --, Chris Hayes: -- is about essentially, like, fascist sympathies in the United States in the run-up to World War II. On July 12, 2021, a photo of Rachel Maddow was posted to the "Community" tab of MSNBC's YouTube account. Rachel Maddow: But also, power corrupts, right? You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening.Stream the video version of this conversation on Peacock here. Some of it was, you know, a hostile foreign power, but a lot of it was native borne. The Rachel Maddow Show airs Mondays at 9pm ET on MSNBC, and shortly thereafter in this feed. After Maddow's nine-week sabbatical, she returned to The Rachel Maddow Show on April 11 and made it official for her viewers: They'd have her four nights a week through the end of the month,. They wrote their own books about it. Chris Hayes: -- you play the Coughlin, its like even if it was in a language I can understand, I'm (ph) like, I think I know probably what hes ranting about. Rachel Maddow: Theyre running, literally, Hitler youth summer camps --. And how much do you think about suspense? Chris Hayes: And its also fascinating. And like, you get figures like this sometimes, right? Chris Hayes: You know, we have D-Day. And everybody is like --. The Today Show executive was not fired. A joke kills, they keep it. And the fact is that even after Pearl Harbor, the groups that were planning the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, they took on a different caste because then, you know, we were at war. And you need the prosecution, you need the investigation, you need the Justice Department to be engaged in things like this, but it's actually not the solution. "Chris is always good he deserves a much bigger national reputation. If you're doing something in 90 seconds, it's like there's just a lot more room for error, right? Sour Patch Lyds (@sourpatchlyds) October 5, 2022. Thats like hes a multiple of the Super Bowl every week in terms of --. And he gave me some two-sentence sketch that he'd been given. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening. And the unhealthful thing about my new life is that I've lost one very healthy thing that I had, which was strict compartmentalization --, Rachel Maddow: -- which is between weekdays and weekends and --, Rachel Maddow: -- working and not working --, Chris Hayes: I say this to people all the time when they say, "Well, oh, God, it must be crazy when you go on vacation. Chris Hayes: -- and it's funny, too, because I've been thinking about this as I'm listening to your "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," I'm thinking about, you know, the Russians, who have an incredibly profound mythology around World War II, justified by the fact that they lost more lives than anyone in --, Chris Hayes: -- defeating Hitler's army. You're so good at suspense, so good. Chris Hayes: With an actual, like, handler, like a Nazi handler --. Rachel Maddow: I love that, but it takes a lot of work. That's how we got the Foreign Agent Registration Act. Theres a role for journalism, there is a role for activism. There's some sort of conventions to some game or genre, whether it's artistic medium or it's a sport, you know, Michael Jordan, Picasso, Steve Jobs, like people that just do this thing that other people are doing. It's called "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra." I mean, theres a couple of things here. Chris Hayes: How did you find your way to the story? MSNBC pundit Rachel Maddow recently announced that her partner Susan Mikula tested positive for COVID-19 . The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell. Hayes is renowned for his role as the host of the All In with Chris Hayes weekday news show which airs on MSNBC. Politics, Foreign Policy, Military & Defense Issues. ", Chris Hayes: I have one work product. Rachel Maddow: Let's take it beyond Ernest Lundeen. Chris Hayes: Who figures prominently in the podcast. And also the theology around tyranny and sedition, being a nuanced thing that Coughlin was very cognizant of and was playing with, even as his followers were being put on trial for sedition for having them what he told them to do. Susan was like, you know, when I met you, you were a grad student who works hard. And then everyone starts doing it differently or some people try to do it differently, even if they're not quite as good. Chris Hayes: Howard Stern, yeah. So Susan's annoyed because I'm not working any less. A funny thing happens when you watch a lot of MSNBC: everyone's faces all sort of start to . Hayes is not the only one who had to recently explain why a swastika has appeared in a place where it would hardly be expected, according to news reports. Rachel Maddow: Dont tell anybody though. I mean, obviously it's your voice, and you have a very good voice technically, but a Rachel Maddow way of telling a story that happens in this podcast where it's like, "I'm in it. Rachel Maddow: Really not clear that youre going to be able to get against the Oath Keepers? And then it's here. Rachel Maddow: I mean, I think I learned what I like, which is helpful. Then they planned a second attack. Update 2:45 p.m. PT: TheWrap spoke with Chris Hayes, newly named weekend MSNBC host, on Monday about his new show, TV mentor Rachel Maddow and the impossibility of covering the debt crisis.. Why Is This Happening? is presented by MSNBC and NBC News, produced by Doni Holloway and Brendan O'Melia, engineered by Bob Mallory and features music by Eddie Cooper. And its interesting after Huey Long was assassinated, he had left behind in Louisiana a political machine that still ruled in dictatorial terms over Louisiana politics sort of share our wealth --. Earlier this week, CNN Business reported that Maddow's nightly show will end in 2022. I'm paraphrasing. But on the sedition front, I said something about this on the air the other night, Im not sure it made sense to anybody who hasnt been thinking about this as intensely as I have. The Chris Hayes Podcast" to discuss what she's been up to since dialing back from her nightly cable news show, how she found the story that's told in her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," the editorial and creative process that has followed, and more. In an interview with MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow, Hayes said that people are increasingly realizing that January 6th, 2021 was actually a "very big thing." "It's just really hard to convict. Eleanor Roosevelt is writing a newspaper column, at the time, as first lady. And they were acquitted. Chris Hayes: I am someone who does this for a living. And I want them to tell that story. bookmark NEWS SHOW access_time 11/21/2022 person Mod chat_bubble 0. You can get the first two episodes now wherever you get your podcasts. To mark MSNBC's 25th anniversary, MSNBC Daily will feature 25 days of forward-looking essays on important issues from MSNBC anchors, hosts and correspondents. Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 5, 2022. Prosecution does not work and that prosecutor, having been through all those different of the ringer ends up breaking all the rules. Those poor defendants were not convicted. And I wonder what you think, what is that curtain about. In this case, this pamphlet is about the Bronx. See or download fact-checks by FactCheck.org, PolitiFact, and The Washington Post's Fact Checker.The Nancy Pelosi Archive is one of several collections of TV news clips featuring public officials, with related fact-checks. As Hayes wrapped up his 8:00 p.m. show, he passed the baton to his 9:00 p.m. successor, who then immediately alluded to an earlier conversation the pair had earlier in the day. Rachel Maddow: -- your story and learn it. He's an unlikely success at MSNBC, coming from the relatively small world of left-wing magazines as an editor of The Nation and a socialist newspaper in Chicago before that. Hosts on Today gave a vague answer to questions about the status of Hoda Kotb, whose last appearance on the show was Feb. 17. Chris Hayes is . Obviously, in a big country, people have all sorts of views, right --. Coughlin starts out as a kind of like not quite left figure, but he is supportive of the New Deal. Chris Hayes: Oh it's the full pamphlet. Chris Hayes: And you basically got to just constantly work at it, which I think is both more realistic and not the story were told, but is very much illustrated by the story you are telling. If passed, this bill in Iowa would pose a massive challenge to the federal government's recognition of same-sex marriage. Huey Long, of course, was assassinated, which is what put an end to his political career. The Beat with Ari Melber. Gotta to hang with my buddy today, he wrote. And the thing that I thought was beautiful about this is that, at the end of this whole thing, exposing the Christian Front and talking about how theyre essentially --. And theres people who have done better scholarship on Coughlin that I can even sum up here, let alone try to ape. As noted by conservative commentator Todd Starnes, Hayes in the past had linked Trump supporters to the swastika. I mean, its all of those things. Rachel Maddow: I just took this long-haul train trip with my family as our family vacation. Rachel Maddow: And so, you end up with all sorts of ways that the criminal law can be engaged against some of these leaders, you know, and thats not definitionally true, just historically recurring. That --, Rachel Maddow: -- like, technical suspense? And I don't buy that chummy, "Thank you, my friend" from Rachel; they rarely chat and you can just cut the tension. I mean, if you take people at face value and you believe that they are arguing earnestly for what they believe, those are fascinating and substantive arguments, which also occluded a lot of active fascist-organizing in the United States at the time. Chris Hayes: But, like, where everyone was on Hitler and Nazis in '39, '40s, I guess, what I'm saying, is like a very different thing than where everyone is on Hitler and Nazis in '44. "Rachel Maddow, you've got some explaining to do," Ball said, but Maddow hasn't stopped anti-Trump speculation. So that part of it, like, what have you learned from that storytelling process that you bring over now? Rachel Maddow: Tom Barrack, literally on trial right now --. Do you buy the explanation of the presence of the swastika on the desk? As part of the deal, Maddow's long-running 9 p.m . No one knows or even cares if Biden's story is true. Rachel Maddow: I think he said, yeah, exactly, yeah. And I have, I feel it emotionally, right, that like the criminal justice system should be able to sort this out and issue some definitive declaration about what is and isnt in bounds, what is and is not a transgression. You can also watch "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Monday nights. Chris hosts programs like beat with Chris Hayes, a weekday news and opinion television program on MSNBC. Actually, it was the right decision. Chris Hayes: I told her she's going to hate that (ph), but it is true. Point is, Babe Ruth was sort of just doing something different than every other baseball player was doing. Chris Hayes: Everyone gets to see what I do. And then the prosecutor said they continued their plot. Rachel Maddow: Thanks for being so nice. . I mean, this is --, Chris Hayes: -- stuff that is top of mind at the time, big news --. A joke dies, they cut it. The three hosts Joy Reid, Chris Hayes, and Rachel Maddow have led. Chris Hayes: -- its wild that this happens, that this level of sort of fame and stardom and influence happens within the hierarchy of the Catholic clergy where he just literally just a literal random parish priest. Its like, oh, yeah, they like that. And I've got this good mix of things now instead of just having a supersized serving of one thing that is too much for me to handle. Lack has taken a large role in rehabilitating Williams's career, which took a big hit in 2015 when he was removed as anchor of "NBC Nightly News" over revelations he exaggerated stories about his. In an interview with MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow, Hayes said that people are increasingly realizing that January 6th, 2021 was actually a "very big thing." "It's just really hard to convict. But the thing that was very exciting to me about that was like, oh, well, let's see what Babe Ruth is going to do next. But I do think that the power that he has over his listeners and the power he has to influence events makes him fall in love with the idea of the strong man as the savior --. Chris Hayes: -- senator from Minnesota. They say, search it up, "Dad, can you search that up?" Chris Hayes: Hes just a guy (ph), like --. According to the Daily Beast, Maddow's new contract would allow her more. Like yeah, what Huey Long is saying right there would work now. Rachel Maddow: -- stockpiling bombs and detailed plans. He served like nine months, wrote Mein Kampf --, Rachel Maddow: -- perfected his ideas of propaganda as being the way to not just seize power but hold power, came out, took him 10 years, and within --. Chris Hayes: We should talk about, since its mentioned, the title is "The Christian Front: Coughlins Storm Troopers," and maybe we should talk a little bit of Coughlin because he is a key figure. Tweet us with the hashtag #WITHpod, email WITHpod@gmail.com. In addition to Maddow, Brian Williams is talking about leaving his program "The 11th Hour" when his contract expires in the next six months, according to sources who say he wants to end the late-night gig. And that's stunning to me. Culture Rachel Maddow Coronavirus MSNBC TV. I'm not pulling this from memory. Rachel Maddow: -- to distribute German government propaganda in the United States through the U.S. Congress and through the United States Senate. This guy, Babe Ruth, comes along, starts out as a pitcher, goes over to hitting. Like, wait a second, how does this happen? And the next thing they sent him to do was the Christian Front trial --. Deadline: White House. Journalism aside, he has authored several books, including A Colony in a Nation (2017). Is that a story about American fascism? Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 5, 2022 "Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. Rachel Maddow is incredible. I mean --, Chris Hayes: -- and through time, I mean, I think thats also partly, in a weird way theres actually kind of something comforting about it insofar as a liberal democratic open society is going to face existential foes to that liberalism almost as a matter of just reality. So --. Are you the local activist whos worried about people getting beat up outside this sort of antisemitic street meetings? And so you're focused on that name. Chris Hayes: Pearl Harbor happens, the war happens. Rachel Maddow: -- like, that night, and was coming back. Rachel Maddow is incredible. January 17th, 80 years to the day earlier, January 17th, 1940, the front-page story in every newspaper in the country is about the arrest of 17 members of the Christian Front militia. So these sort of grand ideological battles, first against Nazis and fascism, then against communism, and then of course, like, the ultimate victory of liberal democracy as a kind of like teleological story about human development, which we basically all get, like, whether we know it or not --. You say like, "Oh, today's Father Coughlin.". Chris Hayes: And then what you uncover is that, like, prior to Pearl Harbor, there was a huge amount of Nazi sympathy in the United States. . And my friend and colleague, Rachel Maddow, is one of those people. 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B, you can petition your local city council and police to take action within the existing law and without violating the right of free speech against the incitements to riot from the Christian Front. A Florida state senator is proposing a bill that would call out the Democrats' hypocrisy regarding cancel culture. And in some cases, they were actively supported by the Hitler government as an effort to create a fifth column here that was going to soften us up for a fascist takeover or to have a native takeover here in the United States that would bring in an administration or a form of government that would be more in keeping and more friendly toward Hitlers aims. Are you a prosecutor working in the southern district of New York whos, you know, deciding whether or not the FBI thats not interested in these things could be trusted to infiltrate these groups or whether or not youre going to tap these outside activist groups and take their information to build your prosecution around? Search us for WITHpod. Chris Hayes: -- totally lost to history. You know, are you the bishop who asked to decide what to do about Coughlin? And in that opening statement from the prosecution in the Oath Keepers sedition trial, the prosecutor said, you know, A, they thought when they left the Capitol on January 6th that they had succeeded and that there would not be an electoral count certification --, Rachel Maddow: -- and that they were then plotting their next steps when they realized that Congress reconvened --. Chris Hayes: More of our conversation after this quick break. I mean, what I do think about is not assuming that anybody knows anything, but also expecting that everybody can go everywhere, right. Chris Hayes: Having to do with, like, a pro-Nazi --, Doni Holloway: World War II era in America --, Chris Hayes: Yeah. And those are some of the really interesting stories that I think are very much lost to history. And who do they bring into that cleanup? Thats a very compelling story. They really like fascist rhetoric. Rachel Maddow: -- answer whatever e-mails I need to answer that pertain to this evening, and then shutoff and not turn on again until the workday starts again. Rachel Maddow: A bad guy needing to be opposed by force to save you, your family and all that you hold dear. Chris Hayes: -- tools of liberal democracy. As its afternoon shows hosted by Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid are canceled due to poor ratings, MSNBC is reportedly planning to replace Chris Hayes with Rachel Maddow. All Rights Reserved. What is Rachel Maddow's Net Worth and Salary? Like, that theres no final victory over the forces of it, even though I feel like the story of World War II and particularly the story of that, you know, its like the defeat of Nazis and fascism, the purging of Nazis and fascists from the continent, although not really in France. Rachel Maddow: -- and you were working this hard. And as such, your failed plot is a failed plot and can be minimized as unserious --, Rachel Maddow: -- and unthreatening. Rachel Maddow: Chris, it's very nice. Rachel Maddow: And so, now she's like, you didn't retire --, Rachel Maddow: -- you changed jobs. Chris Hayes: I've never heard of this guy. Chris Hayes: I mean, not to get too, like, therapy here, but there is just this is like a prime insight of therapy, right, which is like, wherever you go, there you are. MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow plans to take a hiatus in order to focus on other projects, including podcasting and serving as executive producer for a movie, Business Insider reported Monday.. Rachel Maddow: And then you were in local morning radio and working this hard, and then you were working for the ACLU --. Rachel Maddow: Weve got fascist antisemitic thugs who are echoing the Hitler line. Rachel Maddow: -- fight fascism and save the country. How are you going to take this very distinct, particular, you know, I think generational ability to tell stories in other fashions and forms and genres. MSNBC's Alex Wagner reminisces with childhood friend Chris Hayes during the premiere of "Alex Wagner Tonight" Tuesday. All sorts of other efforts against those forces did work. The historical, narrative style pod could hardly be more relevant, as the plot revolves around a sedition trial quite similar to the ongoing Oath Keepers one. I mean, the stories about Jewish community activists in Los Angeles organizing infiltration of pro-Hitler German-American groups to then expose what those groups were doing even as the local police in California and the FBI had no interest in doing anything with what they were finding, I mean, what they did is they got newspaper articles written about it, and they got magazine articles written about it. Rachel Maddow: -- for a lot of the time that he was arguing this. Rachel Maddow: That's why I'm always up after midnight working on this stuff. Earlier in his program, Hayes recounted an. Rachel Maddow: I found my way to the story a little bit backwards. Maddow joins WITHpod to discuss what shes been up to, how she found the story thats told in her new podcast, the editorial and creative process that has followed and more. Like, oh, dont worry too much about what youre hearing about the supposed Jews being supposedly persecuted. Chris Hayes: Youre right, its very empowering because I do think that when I come back to this theme of the criminal justice system being ill-equipped, which I think, you know, very much brings us to the present day like, at some level when you look at January 6th and what Donald Trump did, if its not a crime then nothing is --, Chris Hayes: -- in a non-technical and non-legal sense, right, and just like the moral force of the word "crime" like a transgression, a violation of right and wrong in the established order --. Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. There was a huge amount of, probably, a bigger category of not outright Nazi sympathizers but people who are, like, kind of equivocal about the whole thing. But at the same time, like, could you get a successful seditious conspiracy prosecution against Donald Trump with all the evidence we have? Like, there was a weird moment around the birth of American Holocaust denial and accountability for actual Nazis, not allegorical Nazis, but the real Nazi leadership that brought me to this moment. And were on the train leaving New Orleans heading towards Texas, and were growing across the Huey Long Bridge. And I think this first entered my consciousness in the Philip Roth book, "The Plot Against America" --, Chris Hayes: -- which is fictional, but also when you read it, it's a fictional counter-history in which Charles Lindbergh runs for president as essentially a kind of Nazi sympathizer, essentially America first. They go absolutely crazy against the justice department, threaten the justice department, go to the attorney-general, tell him that you fired these prosecutors get rid of this thing, and they do. Chris Hayes: And, yes, I think it's a really important thing that I've learned also, like if someone sends an e-mail or sends a note saying, like, the thing you said in the monologue this morning when you were just talking it through, like, isn't quite right, you kind of missed this. Rachel Maddow: -- and was profoundly both popular. We put it off a million times for COVID, and then we finally did it. Chris Hayes: And that's something that comes through in the story you're telling in a way that, I think, we really don't think enough about. Chris Hayes: Right, but the first step, the key, is to parcel out the information in this way --, Chris Hayes: -- that doesn't overwhelm --. Chris Hayes: -- its a very good compelling story. Hayes was said to transition better to The Rachel Maddow Show because he is seen as just as policy-oriented as Maddow. Chris Hayes: -- 54 in 1920, 59 and then famously 60 in 1927. Rachel Maddow: -- how many Americans are paying attention to him. The Rachel Maddow Show. Chris Hayes: And all that nasty unseemliness in '39 and '40 --, Rachel Maddow: We beat them. He hates the bankers, which then, you know, one notch past that, right? I feel like this idea that we're dealing with pro-authoritarian impulses on the right as connected to electoral politics, that being some sort of unprecedented challenge, it doesn't feel unprecedented to me. Rachel Maddow: And that magic of being like, the show is over, I'm going to --. But I find it really interesting, so you're along for the ride. C, organize local tolerance committees in your own neighborhood to hold street meetings and other meetings. Why is he so upset? Chris Hayes: -- like, Im not doing anything. As reported by the website Vice, the Goodwill of Western New York online store was selling mugs adorned with the swastika, the motto of the SS (My honor is called loyalty), and the face of Adolf Hilter. January 20th is inauguration. There were 130 million Americans in terms of our population at the time, 30 million of them every week were listening to him. Rachel Maddow: That makes for a good country song. When I go on vacation, I take Twitter off my phone and I don't know what's happening in the world. In her past career, Shaw clerked in the Supreme Court for. And we are not going to fight them by getting rid of our civil liberties. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible anti-fascist pamphlet put together by an American christian minister to counter the work of the Christian Front fascist gang, he tweeted. Rachel Maddow: Super interesting. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. 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